Jo Whiley: Tell us about when you first met Peter then.
Carl: I met him through his sister. He was like a, he was like a year younger than me and I was at university with his sister. He just sounded like this really amazing character that she’d always talk about, her brother. And then he, he used to love London. So when he used to come up, he used to like, he used to do everything in a day. He used to come, turn up wearing like massive winkle-picker shoes he got from a charity shop, and dirty corduroys that probably belonged to some old man once. And uh, you know, I remember he had this certificate, he’d climbed the monument. But he was always very sweet. And he was always really, really knowledgeable, in particular about—-yeah, he taught me quite a lot about things I didn’t know regarding London.
Jo Whiley: So, when he kind of came into your life, did you, were you instantly friendly? Or was he someone that you kind of were fascinated with?
Carl: I was, no no, I think there was a mutual fascination. But I kind of treated him like, um, I kind of used my older status. I kind of talked down to him a little bit, and uh, yeah. Then that was very much our relationship, you know, at that age, I was one year older, you know, and any of my time was his privilege.
Jo Whiley: So it worked, he used to look up to you, in a way?
Carl: Yeah, yeah he really did. And you know he gave me a lot of confidence and, uh, you know he really—
Jo Whiley: How did he give you confidence?
Carl: Just, um, telling me he thought I was destined for-to do better things. Which uh, yeah.
Jo Whiley: It’s probably the first time that someone had said that?
Carl: Pretty much, yeah.